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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://mindschmootz.net/2009/05/no-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 02:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for this! I appreciated your mention of Phil &amp; Tara and Jenny &amp; Greg because I loved them and the Otalia story reminds me so much of the way those stories were told.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for this! I appreciated your mention of Phil &amp; Tara and Jenny &amp; Greg because I loved them and the Otalia story reminds me so much of the way those stories were told.</p>
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		<title>By: contessa</title>
		<link>http://mindschmootz.net/2009/05/no-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>contessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not have said it better!  Beautifully articulated!  Words are sacred, but sometimes we really don&#039;t need them to define who we are.  We just are!  Hope that makes sense.  Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not have said it better!  Beautifully articulated!  Words are sacred, but sometimes we really don&#8217;t need them to define who we are.  We just are!  Hope that makes sense.  Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
		<link>http://mindschmootz.net/2009/05/no-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 17:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece! Some very poingant points and imageries. 
This is such a complicated and important subject. Like you said: we all struggle with labels on daily basis. And we can never fully escape them. 
Yet labels are not inherently bad: They serve their functions. We just need to make sure they don&#039;t blind us to the deeper and often far more significant qualities that lie beneath...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece! Some very poingant points and imageries.<br />
This is such a complicated and important subject. Like you said: we all struggle with labels on daily basis. And we can never fully escape them.<br />
Yet labels are not inherently bad: They serve their functions. We just need to make sure they don&#8217;t blind us to the deeper and often far more significant qualities that lie beneath&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mari SanGiovanni</title>
		<link>http://mindschmootz.net/2009/05/no-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>Mari SanGiovanni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 14:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This speaks volumes---thanks for the insightful posting.

--Mari SanGiovanni
Author of: &quot;Greetings From Jamaica, Wish You Were Queer...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This speaks volumes&#8212;thanks for the insightful posting.</p>
<p>&#8211;Mari SanGiovanni<br />
Author of: &#8220;Greetings From Jamaica, Wish You Were Queer&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Redblaze18</title>
		<link>http://mindschmootz.net/2009/05/no-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>Redblaze18</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 12:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful post.  Thanks for sharing!  

I like the no label aspect of Otalia.  It does leave it open for the viewer to decide.  For the moment anyway.  I would like to see them embrace the term lesbian down the road however.  Once they both get to that point.

My religion is about love....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post.  Thanks for sharing!  </p>
<p>I like the no label aspect of Otalia.  It does leave it open for the viewer to decide.  For the moment anyway.  I would like to see them embrace the term lesbian down the road however.  Once they both get to that point.</p>
<p>My religion is about love&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
		<link>http://mindschmootz.net/2009/05/no-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 03:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think any person commenting or the blogger here is saying that it directly applies to all - I think instead - like perhaps you are also trying to say - it is by not using words but by using actions slowly and realistically told that the genius of this story is revealed.

I am sorry to hear you live in a &#039;place&#039; where your experience appears to be so negative.  Hopefully it is because of tales like Otalia or in communities where the two soccer moms or the neighbor, who nicely gives a lift home, that opinions in this world can change.

I also would be careful going as so far to assume a person&#039;s age.  Something tells me the geography, community and circumstances have way more to do with the acceptance some who have posted here feel then simply the journey tread by &#039;those who came before&#039;.  I, for one, know brave people in same-sex partnerships or brave people who are advocates for the LGBT community that range from their 60&#039;s to their teens and each of them, in how they walk through their life, is finding ways to slowly break down those walls - no matter which decade they were born.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think any person commenting or the blogger here is saying that it directly applies to all &#8211; I think instead &#8211; like perhaps you are also trying to say &#8211; it is by not using words but by using actions slowly and realistically told that the genius of this story is revealed.</p>
<p>I am sorry to hear you live in a &#8216;place&#8217; where your experience appears to be so negative.  Hopefully it is because of tales like Otalia or in communities where the two soccer moms or the neighbor, who nicely gives a lift home, that opinions in this world can change.</p>
<p>I also would be careful going as so far to assume a person&#8217;s age.  Something tells me the geography, community and circumstances have way more to do with the acceptance some who have posted here feel then simply the journey tread by &#8216;those who came before&#8217;.  I, for one, know brave people in same-sex partnerships or brave people who are advocates for the LGBT community that range from their 60&#8242;s to their teens and each of them, in how they walk through their life, is finding ways to slowly break down those walls &#8211; no matter which decade they were born.</p>
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		<title>By: KickazzRobot</title>
		<link>http://mindschmootz.net/2009/05/no-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>KickazzRobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 02:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;Totts Says:Great piece!  What you say is so true - do we really ‘come out’ anymore?...
And when you think about it, why should we state our sexual preference at every opportunity? LOL. Why should I walk up to a stranger (a new neighbour, a work colleague, a doctor, a whatever) and say, ‘Oh, by the way, I’m a lesbian you know!’.&quot;

Respectfully I think this is glib and dismissive of those of us who still live in quite hostile environments where our sexual identity could be a very big problem for our families and neighbors.  I am thrilled beyond words that it is different for many now -really!

I don&#039;t have the particular need to announce myself to them, and by nature I&#039;m a private person, but what I KNOW is that they assume I am straight, and what I KNOW is that it would be a HUGE negative deal for them if they knew I was not.  

&quot;I don’t expect (nor do I want) people I’ve just met to declare their sexual orientation to me! No thanks.&quot;

I don&#039;t really need to know that either, but I DO need to know if they will decide they need to beat me up, evict me from my home or fire me from my job if they know mine.  Do delude yourself into thinking this no longer happens because it does.  

&quot;So, I give the neighbour’s kids a lift home if I see them at a bus stop; my partner makes a wedding cake for another neighbour’s daughter; we organise the cutting of the grass verges around our estate….we’re just members of the community. We’re respected, liked (I think!lol), invited, included and recognised as a couple. No megafone necessary!&quot;

I am so very glad that you are benefiting from those who went before you and had the courage to claim their identity, yes occaisionally with a megaphone [harvey milk comes to mind] so that enough people now are &quot;used to it&quot; so you can have a pocket of normalcy to live in.  But there are still people around in many places that would not let you anywhere near their children, who would not eat a cake you made, who would never think of you as part of their community no matter how great you are [and I am sure you are.]

I think the GL Otalia story is great as it, I love it and would not change a think about it.  But it is one experience, one story.  I think the characters are afraid about their relationship BOTH because of the personal implications and character arcs, but ALSO because they know that no matter WHAT they call themselves, they will be treated by some with homophobic reactions.  They have already gotten a snootful of that from Frank &quot;going down the wrong path&quot; Cooper and they can expect it from Alan.  Olivia fears it from Philip and even though I think that fear is unfounded it drives her actions.

Someday we may live in a label free utopia - we are not there yet.  This story may help us along the way, but please don&#039;t get carried away and think it applies directly to the experience of all same sex couples. There are still some of us out here getting the crap kicked out of us every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;Totts Says:Great piece!  What you say is so true &#8211; do we really ‘come out’ anymore?&#8230;<br />
And when you think about it, why should we state our sexual preference at every opportunity? LOL. Why should I walk up to a stranger (a new neighbour, a work colleague, a doctor, a whatever) and say, ‘Oh, by the way, I’m a lesbian you know!’.&#8221;</p>
<p>Respectfully I think this is glib and dismissive of those of us who still live in quite hostile environments where our sexual identity could be a very big problem for our families and neighbors.  I am thrilled beyond words that it is different for many now -really!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the particular need to announce myself to them, and by nature I&#8217;m a private person, but what I KNOW is that they assume I am straight, and what I KNOW is that it would be a HUGE negative deal for them if they knew I was not.  </p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t expect (nor do I want) people I’ve just met to declare their sexual orientation to me! No thanks.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really need to know that either, but I DO need to know if they will decide they need to beat me up, evict me from my home or fire me from my job if they know mine.  Do delude yourself into thinking this no longer happens because it does.  </p>
<p>&#8220;So, I give the neighbour’s kids a lift home if I see them at a bus stop; my partner makes a wedding cake for another neighbour’s daughter; we organise the cutting of the grass verges around our estate….we’re just members of the community. We’re respected, liked (I think!lol), invited, included and recognised as a couple. No megafone necessary!&#8221;</p>
<p>I am so very glad that you are benefiting from those who went before you and had the courage to claim their identity, yes occaisionally with a megaphone [harvey milk comes to mind] so that enough people now are &#8220;used to it&#8221; so you can have a pocket of normalcy to live in.  But there are still people around in many places that would not let you anywhere near their children, who would not eat a cake you made, who would never think of you as part of their community no matter how great you are [and I am sure you are.]</p>
<p>I think the GL Otalia story is great as it, I love it and would not change a think about it.  But it is one experience, one story.  I think the characters are afraid about their relationship BOTH because of the personal implications and character arcs, but ALSO because they know that no matter WHAT they call themselves, they will be treated by some with homophobic reactions.  They have already gotten a snootful of that from Frank &#8220;going down the wrong path&#8221; Cooper and they can expect it from Alan.  Olivia fears it from Philip and even though I think that fear is unfounded it drives her actions.</p>
<p>Someday we may live in a label free utopia &#8211; we are not there yet.  This story may help us along the way, but please don&#8217;t get carried away and think it applies directly to the experience of all same sex couples. There are still some of us out here getting the crap kicked out of us every day.</p>
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		<title>By: liz-lemon</title>
		<link>http://mindschmootz.net/2009/05/no-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>liz-lemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 16:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank-you. You just pretty much summed up how I feel..I am going to save this and make my friends and family read because I don&#039;t think I could explain things any better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank-you. You just pretty much summed up how I feel..I am going to save this and make my friends and family read because I don&#8217;t think I could explain things any better.</p>
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		<title>By: Susanne</title>
		<link>http://mindschmootz.net/2009/05/no-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>Susanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 16:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If food has a label, it is probably no good for you (processed and full of chemicals). Same goes for people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If food has a label, it is probably no good for you (processed and full of chemicals). Same goes for people.</p>
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		<title>By: liqourish</title>
		<link>http://mindschmootz.net/2009/05/no-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>liqourish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 11:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I wasn&#039;t already in awe, this post would do it.

And you bake muffins too? *thud*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I wasn&#8217;t already in awe, this post would do it.</p>
<p>And you bake muffins too? *thud*</p>
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